Hello everyone, welcome to the Warhammer 40000 indomitus box review This post will regroup all the info and the news on this release
Hello everyone !!
NDA was lifted 3 days earlier because of leaks reaching the internet ^^
consequently, I can start reviewing the box/9th right away
I plan to update this post with more and more content until the release date (and maybe after). Expect rules, fluff and models being reviewed here.
Each update to this thread will be signalled by a new post.
The first thing that impressed me was the quality of the Rulebook included in the Indomitus Boxset. It's easily the most remarkable book ever made by GW! No contest.
Like, everyone, I wasn't particularly inspired by the cover with Abbadon and Gulliman. But I revised my judgment as it looks fantastic on the book in real life.
Also, artists drew plenty of new & excellent arts inside the Rulebook, providing a really classy finish.
I know my pic doesn't do justice to the quality of the book, but the image-only cover they chose is splendid. Just for that, I think the Indomitus box is an excellent deal as the cover of the regular book is not as great!
Covers are lovely, but what about the content?
Glad you ask! It's 356 pages so it's quite big and you get a lot of stuff to read!
The tome is divided into 3 important sections: Fluff, Rules, Games mode (with matched, narrative, Open)
The fluff section is made of 5 parts, each one focusing on a different aspect of the Warhammer 40000 universe.
The quality of the drawing and illustration is really top-notch, even my non-hobbies friends find the book beautiful.
The rules are available for free on the GW site here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Lw4o3USx1R8sU7cQ.pdf
Don't expect to be able to play without the book; as the free rules miss 26 pages on how to build armies, stratagems, command points, TERRAINS. The free rules include one mission to test the water, but if you are a veteran player, it will not really satisfy you! To be honest, it's dickish to not include the terrain rules in the free rules.
Anyway, this section of the book is neat, nice layout, great illustration, lots of bullet points. It's a bit easier to read in the book, but it's the same content.
The terrains and battlefield chapter of the book are super helpful to create balanced battleground. You get examples of terrain, battlefield, after reading the book you know what you should aim/expect to play on.
These 2 pages are not the only example as you get a lot more info on how to build a battlefield.
Last parts of the Warhammer 40000 9th Core rulebook is the Game modes, there are 3: Open, Crusade(narrative), Matched. Each of the 3 modes (or at least 2) will be reviewed in more details.
You'll get missions for all sizes of games, crusade mission, crusade Exp table...it's all very exciting, very well presented and represent very well the base the game is going to be built upon in the next 2 to 3 years.
One Matched play mission for 2k games :
Crusade Missions et Weapons Enhancements.
These Weapons upgrades are dreamy ^^
Book Quality is incredible. It's such a great item may be the best they ever made in GW history.
I really wish this would be the new official quality.
This small review is just the starting point of the Indomitus box review. I'll add more material soon!
Hello everyone !!!
In today review, prepare to be Amazed because everything changed! Terrain should be an essential part of the game. Sadly the 8th missed the mark with them, but this is over! The 9th Edition of Warhammer 40000 is smashing everything you know about terrains!
The terrain rules are the big game changer of the 9th editions. No game in the eight will ever resemble what is going to happen in a 9th Matched game.
Off course, all the rules displayed in this review, should are balanced by the mission, forcing you to move out of cover to try to win the game.
Before starting, I am puzzled that the free rules online don't have terrain or cover rules (unless I missed them), it such a dick move. You offer free rules, but not the interaction with the battleground? Wtf is that?
Anyway, let's start the terrain review with the rules included in the Core book.
There are four types of terrains in the 9th editions. All terrains must be from one of these big assortments.
Specific types of models gain cover or not depending on the terrains types. Note that having cover doesn't do anything ! but receiving cover from a terrain get you a bonus or malus depending the Keywords it has.
The 4 types of terrains are :
The hill is the first type of terrain described in the book. They can be free-standing or modelled into the battlefield itself.
They don't grant cover but can potentially break los if you are behind it.
This is los rule by the way is :
So, in a nutshell, the hill type of terrain doesn't do much; however, if the hill model is big enough, you can break or gain LOS. Note you can decide to grant your hills with keywords as will see soon.
Obstacle includes barricade, walls, statues, debris, box, container. This type of terrain regroups all the solid and limited in zone terrain. Models move over an obstacle using regular rules (1" or less ignore the Obstacle or move over if more than 1").
So, you can't attack Obstacle, use standard rules for LOS and MOVE. Grant cover if you are within 3" of it and the shooter has to shoot through the Obstacle.
Though the cover bonus is limited to Infantry, Beast, Swarm, so Vehicles don't get any cover from obstacle terrains.
I am happy to see Area terrain rules back.
Area terrain represents a zone of terrain with a defined limit, like woods, a swamp, craters. When you deploy such a terrain, players must agree on the terrain limit. Most of the time it's easy, but with some ruins terrains, you may have to define the area to be 100 sure.
Like Obstacle, area terrain uses standard rules for LOS and MOVE. Models receive benefits of cover while within. So you solely need one "toe" in the section to get the full advantage.
Again the benefit of cover is limited to INFANTRY, BEAST, SWARM. So bye-bye cover for vehicles ^^
Buildings are paid with points by players, and their rules are on their corresponding Datasheet.
Buildings are units, you can attack them, you can't move through them, and you use regular LOS rules to see through them.
We have no details yet, but buildings should benefit from friendly aura if they have the right keyword?
After reading this portion of the rules, it looks like You CAN'T move over an enemy tau shield wall?
We'll have to wait for the online errata & the rules update dropping the 11th to get the complete rules.
Now that we understand what the four types of terrain are let's get to Terrains Traits !!!
Each terrain not only has a type (hill, Obstacle, area, building) but also have Traits. Each trait has specific keywords granting particular abilities.
There is no limit to the number of traits you can give a terrain. Both players have to agree on the traits before the battle.
Note the wording: +1 to hit for the melee reaction (so don't stack with your other modifier) but the overwatch is hit on 5+ so if you get a +1 to hit overwatch somewhere you can stack it. (as you know in the 9th Warhammer 40000 editions, you can't benefit from more than a +1 or -1 to a roll)
The intent is to be able to charge a unit behind a small wall even if you can't reach it physically with your models (the plan is to prevent abuse I guess ?)
I think there is an imperfection with the rule. The charge target has to be within 1'' of the terrain to benefit from it. But if the charged unit can be 1.1'' away from the defence line terrain, it still gets the cover bonus and defensible benefit without the defence Line rule allowing a charge against you.
Note it also applies to vehicle standing behind a defence line terrain.
Pretty simple if the terrain has this keyword, like ruins, for example, Infantry, Beast and swarm can move through it without losing movement.
Minus 2, speed malus that applies to everyone but units with fly keywords! Wood is a difficult ground, craters as well, swamp could be too.
The name of this trait is chosen poorly and bound to cause errors. Dense cover has nothing to do with being in cover (see types of terrain at the start).
The rule applies to Vehicles even if they can't get cover!
For example, Woods get the dense cover rule, so if you shoot at something inside the woods or if the shoot has to go through a forest, you get -1 to hit.
Doesn't apply to AIRCRAFT target or with a Wounds Characteristic of 18+
Note, AIRCRAFT is not a unit with the keywords fly but a unit from the AIRCRAFT list!
No link to the cover rule, just lousy naming. Something like: "hard to hit" would have been clearer.
Cant end the move on the terrain
Don't want to spend more time on this but, Fuel pipes are defence line and unstable. I fear some exploit where my unit can stand 1.1 " behind the pipes. That implies you can't charge/attack my unit from the other side and can't finish your charge move on the terrain...
Applies to box and container terrain, love this idea !!!
Terrain Block Los if the target on the other side.
All ruins example have this trait (but not wood ?) it should help lower LOS line turn 1. Apply to vehicles as while they are not AIRCRAFT or with 18+ wounds.
If you get to cover and the terrain has this trait you get +1 against melee or ranged depending on the trait.
You NEED benefit of cover to claim this bonus (so only inf, swarm, Beast) it's different from dense cover ^^
It's a perfect addition to the terrain rules & huge boost to melee Beast. All ruins have Scaleable & Breachable. It's excellent and going to fix a lot of exploits.
Again tanks, while buffed by the rules, are getting nerfed by terrains rules.
Note that antigrav vehicle with the FLY keywords can still deploy on the top of ruins ^^
Great for adding interested to status and chaos icons ^^
NOTE: In "matched play", these are not guideline but are mandatory!
Gw included example of what a good and fair battlefield should be :
Time to conclude this review of the new terrains rules !!! It's the most ambitious change in the 9th editions. There are a lot of unanswered questions for now, but I find this method smart and new (for GW). I think it's going to work very well and create a much more compelling battlefield than in the 8th !!
That's it for now.
Review also added to the Review mega thread here
Hello everyone !!
Today review is the third examining the Indominatus Box if you want to read the two previous reviews (book & terrains) check here
I prefer to focus this part on the matched play mission because it's "usual" standard you expect when you play a 40k game.
The core book comes with the Eternal War Mission pack. Each mission pack is a "Meta" with a specific theme. We can expect future mission pack (a new one is coming with the matched game companion on release day) that could change particular rules.
The book includes rules for four games size: 500/1000/2000/3000.
The review will focus on 2000pts games setup, the mission and the scoring to determine the victor.
There are 13 steps before the battle start!
Step 14 is the actual start of the game.
Step 15 & 16 are "ending" and determine the victor.
Note Use Roster Changing Stratagem now!
Agree or Roll it's up to the players. For the 2000 points level there is 6 missions :
The theme of the Eternal War Missions Pack is Capture and hold. All missions revolve around keeping some objectives.
In this case, imagine we rolled a three we would play the Four Pillars Mission.
You set up terrain as explained in the terrains rules 266-269. Not that in Matched play, terrain feature serving as an example on page 264-265 is mandatory. So all woods have the same rules in Matched Play, same for ruins.
You can secretly select three and (more details later), but you can also choose from the mission.
There is no mention of attacker or defender in the missions ??? the winner of the roll-off choose to be attacker or defender.
Defender chooses his deployment zone first.
A crucial step, you must decide who to go in reserve before rolling for initiative & it's the same for transports.
No more than half the army can be kept in reserve.
After turn three if they have not joined the battle unit kept in reserve count as a loss!
Alternate deployment until you deploy everything.
Use all the before battle start rules and stratagems. Note that stratagem modifying the roster (like transforming a unit into veterans.) are not allowed now.
In the 9th editions, Primary objective Worth up to 45 pts and each secondary up to 15 pts. The last 10pts depends if you painted your army!
Note that this is only true for the Eternal War Mission Pack and we don't know how the next Mission Pack manage points.
Your max score from play is 90 pts. Each Primary Objective can score up to 15pts a turn (max 45), you can then reach max points from Primary Objective in 3 turns. The game lasts five rounds, and each mission has ONE primary Objective.
Each Secondary Objective scores up to 15 points, and you can choose 3 (List at the end of the post). There is a large variety of Secondary Objectives, and you pick them during Step 7 of the pre-battle phase.
That Mean you already have some info on your opponent's army, terrain, missions at this points in time. Choosing the right Secondary will be VITAL if you want to wins games.
Also, having no models on the table doesn't count as an instant loss. It just means that the surviving army can play until round 5 without opposition. But with the scoring limits per turn, it's imperative to start scoring ASAP or prevent easy scoring and then crawl back...Imagine getting tabled end of turn three after focusing on getting full points. With two turns left and only 30 pts to score on the Primary Objective, maybe you already won. The Secondary scoring is harder to predict, but it's 3 to 4 per turn up to 15 per Secondary.
>What is important in this mission pack ?
Objective Secured, durability and movement these three stats are the most important in this mission pack. All six missions Primary Objectives are about securing objectives; of course, Objective Secured ability is essential.
Most of the time, there are multiple objectives to hold at the same time, so you probably need MSU (multiple Small Unit)to perform well.
Without Objective Secured units on an objective, the opponents can just come and take it with one model ^^
Choosing Secondary is going to be tricky and exciting (I think). Off course I don't know what the Secondaries of the next mission pack are going to be. I hope they are the same for this season. It's hard knowing 25+ secondary and their interaction this early in the 9th.
Anyway, there are five categories!
But that's not all, each mission offer a secondary that you can select :
Purge the enemy, and other Objectives that you score automatically at the end of the game are from my experience the most desirable unless you have a particular plan. (it's like any Recent Euro Boardgame, scoring at the end of the game is regularly the top strat if it allowed you to play other objectives during the games)
Secondary Objectives needing actions are ok if you have units that don't have great weapons like five space marines or Necron. But if you only have super kill-ly Eldar units or Elite stuff better use these actions on attacks. In that case, don't choose the Secondaries Objective that uses the new Action Mechanism.
I am Hyped to try Warhammer 40000 competition, more than in many years. This Mission Pack Meta seems excellent! Can't wait to try it with: new small board + points updated + terrains + all rules updated for 9th!
Off course this is only the matched aspect of Warhammer 40k, and there is much more to do!
This Post is also added to the Indomitus Review Mega Thread here
Hello everyone !!!
Tomorrow you will be able to pre-orders the Indomitus Box !!
A huge Value box, also, stock maybe not that big, so better order fast!
Today review is all about all the change that I found in the core book.
This is Part 1, Part 2 is coming about weird interaction!
Let's get to it!
Command Phase is a new phase. You gain 1 CP if your army is Battle-forged. Missions scoring often happen in this phase.
That sux for the Heroic intervention :/
Entirely new concept! In a nutshell, one unit uses his turn to make an action and score/do Something in relation with the mission.